Was Christ Forsaken On The Cross By Both The Father And The Spirit?

Saturday, August 19, 2017 - 8:30pm

       Jesus was condemned to death, and eventually was nailed to a cross as the means of carrying this sentence out. Many believe that while he was on the cross it was during a three hour period of time in which darkness pervaded the atmosphere that he was judged, receiving the punishment due to the debt of sin owed by mankind. He was made to be sin for us, not in the sense that he was sin itself, but as a sacrifice, an offering, for sin.

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. (2 Corinthians 5:21)                                                                                  

       The question that comes into play here is, did both the Father and the Holy Spirit forsake (abandon; leave helpless; leave destitute) the Son during the three hours on the cross when he was paying the penalty for the sins of the whole world?

Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? (Matthew 27:45-46)

       According to Hebrews 9:14 Christ, through the influences of the eternal Spirit (the Holy Spirit, whose conception and the performing of miracles was by his instrumentality) voluntarily offered himself as a perfect sacrifice to God. This would signify that only God the Father forsook him. What is being conveyed by the word “forsaken” is that the father would no longer remain in fellowship with his Son during the three hours on the cross when he was enduring judgment.

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? (Hebrews 9:14)                                                                                                                                 

       When the sacrifice for sin was finished Christ gave up the ghost (human spirit) and went to a place in Hell in order to preach (made an official announcement) unto the spirits in prison. Who are these spirits? They could either be fallen angels, who while on earth in their physical bodies had intercourse with women, the goal of whom was to make ineffectual the lineage from which the Messiah would come; demons (angels who do not have physical bodies and as a result sought to indwell a person’s body); or humans (unbelievers in Noah’s time who perished during the flood). The book of second Peter seems to indicates that these spirits were fallen angels, who were cast down to hell, where two prisons are located, the one here being addressed as that bring called Tartarus. Do we know what Jesus said to them? Unfortunately, the scriptures are not clear about this.

By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. (1 Peter 3:19-20)

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; (2 Peter 2:4-5)

       Did Jesus visit anyone else in hell?

       Hell not only contained two prisons, but also two compartments which housed disembodied spirits. One was called torments where the disembodied spirits of those humans who didn’t believe in God as he was revealed in the Old Testament resided. The other was called Paradise (Abrahams’s bosom) where the disembodied spirits of those humans (Old Testament saints) who believed in God as he was revealed resided.

There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, … (Luke 16:19,22-23a)

       It is possible that Christ also visited with the disembodied spirits who were residing in Paradise declaring unto them that he paid the debt owed to God the Father because of sin and that his resurrection would illustrate God’s acceptance of this payment. He might have even mentioned that he would abide on earth for a short time and then ascend into heaven at which time they would be removed from Paradise and accompany him on the way to heaven. While we don’t know for sure what he actually said to them what we do know is there is a verse in the book of Ephesians which indicates that those in Paradise will indeed ascend to heaven with him. This verse states that when Jesus ascended on high (on his way to heaven) that he will be accompanied by the body of captives (disembodied spirits) that he captured. At one time they were held captive by sin and Satan, but through believing they are now His captives.

Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Ephesians 4:8-9)                                                                              

       After three days his human spirit re-entered his physical body (bodily resurrection) at which time there occurred a physical change. It still had flesh and bones and he was still able to eat food, but other than that it was totally different from the original. The differences now are that it was: no longer subject to decay and death; immortal, no longer subjected to earthly conditions. Likewise, when we die and leave our physical body behind we will be given a house, a spiritual body, not made with hands that will no longer be under the sway of corporeal desires or of intellectual and passionate impulses1, a body which will be totally dominated by the Spirit.

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: (1 Peter 3:18)                     

He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. (Acts 2:31-32)

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (1 Corinthians 15:42-44)                                                            

       Jesus remained on the earth for 40 more days being witnessed to by more than 500 people. One very important instruction that he gave to his apostles during this time was that they were to wait at Jerusalem for the baptism of the Holy Spirit. At the completion of his time on earth Jesus ascended into heaven. Ten days following his ascension the Holy Spirit would come and indwell his disciples on the day of Pentecost.

       By Jesus sacrifice not only has the debt of sin owed by mankind to God the Father been paid for, but along with this all of their sins have been forgiven.

       Jesus was condemned to death, and eventually was nailed to a cross as the means of carrying this sentence out. Many believe that while he was on the cross it was during a three hour period of time in which darkness pervaded the atmosphere that he was judged, receiving the punishment due to the debt of sin owed by mankind. He was made to be sin for us, not in the sense that he was sin itself, but as a sacrifice, an offering, for sin.

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. (2 Corinthians 5:21)                                                                                  

       The question that comes into play here is, did both the Father and the Holy Spirit forsake (abandon; leave helpless; leave destitute) the Son during the three hours on the cross when he was paying the penalty for the sins of the whole world?

Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? (Matthew 27:45-46)

       According to Hebrews 9:14 Christ, through the influences of the eternal Spirit (the Holy Spirit, whose conception and the performing of miracles was by his instrumentality) voluntarily offered himself as a perfect sacrifice to God. This would signify that only God the Father forsook him. What is being conveyed by the word “forsaken” is that the father would no longer remain in fellowship with his Son during the three hours on the cross when he was enduring judgment.

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? (Hebrews 9:14)                                                                                                                                 

       When the sacrifice for sin was finished Christ gave up the ghost (human spirit) and went to a place in Hell in order to preach (made an official announcement) unto the spirits in prison. Who are these spirits? They could either be fallen angels, who while on earth in their physical bodies had intercourse with women, the goal of whom was to make ineffectual the lineage from which the Messiah would come; demons (angels who do not have physical bodies and as a result sought to indwell a person’s body); or humans (unbelievers in Noah’s time who perished during the flood). The book of second Peter seems to indicates that these spirits were fallen angels, who were cast down to hell, where two prisons are located, the one here being addressed as that bring called Tartarus. Do we know what Jesus said to them? Unfortunately, the scriptures are not clear about this.

By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. (1 Peter 3:19-20)

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; (2 Peter 2:4-5)

       Did Jesus visit anyone else in hell?

       Hell not only contained two prisons, but also two compartments which housed disembodied spirits. One was called torments where the disembodied spirits of those humans who didn’t believe in God as he was revealed in the Old Testament resided. The other was called Paradise (Abrahams’s bosom) where the disembodied spirits of those humans (Old Testament saints) who believed in God as he was revealed resided.

There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, … (Luke 16:19,22-23a)

       It is possible that Christ also visited with the disembodied spirits who were residing in Paradise declaring unto them that he paid the debt owed to God the Father because of sin and that his resurrection would illustrate God’s acceptance of this payment. He might have even mentioned that he would abide on earth for a short time and then ascend into heaven at which time they would be removed from Paradise and accompany him on the way to heaven. While we don’t know for sure what he actually said to them what we do know is there is a verse in the book of Ephesians which indicates that those in Paradise will indeed ascend to heaven with him. This verse states that when Jesus ascended on high (on his way to heaven) that he will be accompanied by the body of captives (disembodied spirits) that he captured. At one time they were held captive by sin and Satan, but through believing they are now His captives.

Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Ephesians 4:8-9)                                                                              

       After three days his human spirit re-entered his physical body (bodily resurrection) at which time there occurred a physical change. It still had flesh and bones and he was still able to eat food, but other than that it was totally different from the original. The differences now are that it was: no longer subject to decay and death; immortal, no longer subjected to earthly conditions. Likewise, when we die and leave our physical body behind we will be given a house, a spiritual body, not made with hands that will no longer be under the sway of corporeal desires or of intellectual and passionate impulses1, a body which will be totally dominated by the Spirit.

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: (1 Peter 3:18)                     

He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. (Acts 2:31-32)

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (1 Corinthians 15:42-44)                                                            

       Jesus remained on the earth for 40 more days being witnessed to by more than 500 people. One very important instruction that he gave to his apostles during this time was that they were to wait at Jerusalem for the baptism of the Holy Spirit. At the completion of his time on earth Jesus ascended into heaven. Ten days following his ascension the Holy Spirit would come and indwell his disciples on the day of Pentecost.

       By Jesus sacrifice not only has the debt of sin owed by mankind to God the Father been paid for, but along with this all of their sins have been forgiven.

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